Integration Hypocrisy?

Posted by: adamwalker in problems societyNT2learn dutchintegrationimmigrantsHolland expatsExpats in the NetherlandsEnglishdiscriminationCulture on

Gabriele's post and my imminent expatriation have led me to further research and contemplate his predicament. I think that everyone can have sympathy for his situation. In the knowledge that I am departing for the Netherlands with only 1 year of work guaranteed, his position is all too real for me. Luckily, I have the option of an academic career, in which being a native English speaker will (hopefully) not prove to be a barrier. As a further safety net, I intend to work like hell on my Dutch.  


But of course, as we all know, exposure is key to learning. And, exposure, in a spoken sense, is not altogether easy to acquire (given that our Dutch friends just love speaking English). Poking around the internet for the stories of frustrated expats, I came across an amusing tail of one Englishman, who in a bar in Amsterdam was heard by a native to have said to the barman "Kan ik een cola alstublieft?" The native found this truly hilarious and retorted, through his hearty laughter, "is that the only thing you can say!?" Clearly, the Brit was outraged and rather effectively, and in true curt British manner, stunned the arrogant piece of bar furniture into silence with a blunt Dutch insult. And good on him!


So, why exactly was the Brit so outraged? His reasons will be his own, however, I would like to pose my own theory.


The Dutch campaign for integration is strong and prominent. And so it should be. The Dutch have a marvellous culture and language and people should be strongly encouraged to play a part in it. So immigrants attend language classes and so on and those who do not speak English are granted unlimited opportunity to practise. Fantastic stuff we all agree.


Now, I do not wish to sound in anyway racist in my following argument. So I would like your permission to assume (and not without logical grounding) that on average, an English speaking immigrant with a job in hand before arrival in the Netherlands is likely to add more value to the Dutch economy than a non-English speaker. This is simply a matter of the education and experience that an English speaker is likely to have acquired in their home country (which may well not be Anglophone). Clearly this is not the case for all individuals, but as I said, on average.


For example, Gabriele has informed us that he is skilled in internet security with many years experience. I have secured a job in the Netherlands that had previously had a full round of interviews and many months of open applications before a suitable candidate was found. We will leave, or have left our own countries to make significant contributions to Dutch society. And yet, does "de man op straat" allow us to integrate into his society by helping us to speak his language even when we are clearly trying? No. We are penalised. Ironically those who are penalised the most are those we can contribute more to Dutch society.

 

It is this dichotomy that frustrates the English speaking ex-pat. All that effort to integrate people and the people who can contribute the most (and may also want to integrate the most) are denied the privilege.


Now, I do not hold this fact against the Dutch. I suspect that this desire to always speak English stems from a long established hard nosed "trade mentality". Such a trade mentality merits using the common and best spoken language. But we are moving beyond trade now. We are moving across borders. We are benefiting from flexible labour markets and migration. But labour needs security, and as we have seen in Gabriele's position, the security that speaking the native language can provide can make all the difference.


Perhaps, in this case, the Dutch need to look past this misguided short run pragmatism which they adopt in dealing with English speakers. They need to consider the wider implications of their actions within the context of their national policies. This will allow them to genuinely meet the things that I believe the Dutch hold dear; fairness, openness and respect.


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written by stranded, December 08, 2009
Not all dutch people can speak English,and many of them can not speak proper Netherlands!But if you want to come here and work get ready for some fun times.Dutch people are very arrogant,they claim everyone else in the world to be arrogant but the truth is that they in fact are the worse!When you try to use the language at work they will laugh at you and go get their dutch friends and have a good laugh.then they tell you to try to speak dutch.I believe this is their way of feeling superior to you or to hide their mistakes with their own language.They have what the call dialect,which is an excuse to be different.then the gov. passes a law which says all immigrants have to pass NT 2 when a good amount of their people can not!But it is their country,and the gov. loves to control over here.Sure you can go smoke you weed or go to the prostitutes,but they will take at least 50 percent of what you make!but it is a great place to live,high prices,and taxes.the weather is always sunny.But it is safer than the U.S. and better for my son!I have been told many times that if I spoke dutch I would have work!I keep finding it anyway.I can speak the language but now I get to go to school and improve it.I should have all kinds of work LOL!Look before you leap is my advice to you!
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written by adamwalker, November 22, 2009
Thanks for your comments, DK. I think you are very right with all of that. I don't agree with what I have written anymore and I would take it down to show my respect . However, I will leave it up since it has stimulated such good debate!!!!

However I would like to point out that I do not think I am special. I do not believe I have a right to a job and I feel very privileged that I do have one.

Thanks again

Adam
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written by DK, November 21, 2009
I don't understand why people complaining about not being able to speak Dutch with the man on the street, the man on the street speaks english, better than u speak dutch, the man on the street doesn't know u r trying to practise, he thinks u r trying to communicate..of course he switches to english, to communicate better. It's not like, he is doing on purpose, to annoy u or something.

There is a difference between people who came to Holland for other purposes, then started to look for a job and the people who found a job in Holland before arriving here. Second type of people, they think they r special, chosen, they think "I am needed in Holland, i should go". They r more cocky, I believe...and after arriving in Holland, if they lose their job..if they were not really that needed or special..sure hard to find another job. They find out that, and they r frustrated.

Gabriele is experienced, true...I suppose he was also invited by a Dutch company..then he quits, finds another, loses that one. He is jobless... Lots of people are jobless in Holland. I think "not speaking Dutch" was only an excuse. This is not a third world country, i am sure there are many dutch people applying for the same job, with a good education and are experienced, who speaks english AND dutch so...why they pick Gabriele?! I know some people, Dutch people, who are jobless and they have been rejected many times now. These are hard times i believe..lots of companies are bankrupt..lots of people jobless. It's already hard to find a job, yeah if u r a foreigner and not speaking Dutch...harder to find a job. I think that's it.

I am turkish btw, I am not a Dutch fan or so..but I find it weird when people complain like that. Some complain dutch people switch to dutch when they r together so foreigners feel left alone or dutch people talk to them in english when the foreigners try to talk dutch. Thats why living in another country is tough..people come with hopes, dreams, they think all dutch people will simply adore them..no they wont, at least not all of them. You r not that special. Even if you speak the language perfectly, you r still english, or spanish or whatever...you r not dutch. Only for that, people may not like u. People should know that before leaving the home country.

It doesn't have to go wrong of course, I am only saying people shouldn't be that suprised when things do so.

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written by adamwalker, November 19, 2009
Dearest Sosuke,

I never said that "English speaking foreigners improve the Netherlands". This is a subjective statement. I did say "add value" which is an economic term. I am merely saying that the immigration of skilled labour to meet a demand for it is an economic benefit to the Netherlands.

I also never said that they "need" Englishmen. I am sure they do not "need" any at all. However, I am sure that we do add value to the Dutch economy. Otherwise, why would they give highly skilled expats a 30% tax bonus? We may not be needed but we certainly are wanted. Just as a company poaches the best staff, the Netherlands wants the best workers.

You are correct, German may be a better solution. But only because it is possible that better relationships with Germany could add more value.

And as for your final statement goes.....the sun never sets on the British Empire.....and don't you forget it. smilies/wink.gif
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written by iliana, November 19, 2009
"it's about to finish the USA/UK economic emperor , and soon we could find out that the key language to speak will be chinese maybe or arabic "
hmmm, but then we all - Americans, Brits, Dutch, Germans ...would have to learn a new language ! Fun ;-)


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written by Sosuke Aizen, November 18, 2009
I agree except the fact that "english foreign speakers improve the netherlands". This statement is a free assumption, because dutch have all the skills to improve by themselves their country, they do not need any english men.
They are able to be programmers, researchers, teachers, etc... and they are able to speak english too. English is only a language to interface them with rest of the world, and as far as they concern, German language could also be another solution, sometimes even better.

it's about to finish the USA/UK economic emperor , and soon we could find out that the key language to speak will be chinese maybe or arabic smilies/smiley.gif

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